P717 CJJFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:44/21 READHEAR WRJTJ HEAR O 1/6 FROM CHRJSTOF NISLAUS OF LONDON "I was one of those involved in the setting up of the ''bterloo pub era', which ran successfully for over two and a half years before being banned dui to a new manager's lack of understanding of deaf people. "N Meats says that large groups should take responsibility for things getting out of hand. "I feel this is unfair as it is the responsibility of the INDIVIDUAL not to spoil it for the rest of the group." cont... Community Pages 720 Environment 730 Religious World 740 User Guide 198 Next Page Read Hear Religion ReligionP717 CJJFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:45/11 READHEAR WRJTJ HEAR 2/6 FROM CHRJSTOF NISLAUS OF LONDON "I agree with A Smith that deaf clubs are not just for 'oldies', but why are some oldies going to the Stag? "The truth is that deaf people prefer a pub atmosphere rather than that of deaf clubs — I lived in Nottingham for two years and there was a pub atmosphere in its deaf club." cont... Community Pages 720 Environment 730 Religious World 740 User Guide 198 Next Page Read Hear Religion ReligionP717 CJEFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:40/31 JADHEAR WRJTJ HEAR OO 3/6 FROM CHRJSTOF NISLAUS OF LONDON "'hili cities like Nottingham have only one deaf club, London has many. "This produces a sjnsj of divided loyalty among deaf people, a leading factor in so many of us flocking to the Stag pub to bj together as one big happy family instead of being divided separately bz different deaf clubs. "I recognisj the importance of deaf clubs in their communities but think that many of them have to move into the 90s (I rifer to the London Deaf clubs only*. Until they do, I will continue to go to the 'deaf pub'." %,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Next Page Read Hear Religion ReligionP717 CJEFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:44/07 READHEAR WRJTJ HEAR OO 4/6 FROM P SMITH OF DERBY "I have enjoyed the recent Read Hear correspondence about deaf clubs versus 'deaf pubs'. "Although I am not too sympathetic to the desire of younger deaf people to spend their social lives drinking, I find it hard to blame them where there are so few alternatives. "(Although I must say I admire the way Mr Woolfe says hj has moved on to other activities as hj has matured and the way hj encourages others to do the same).b cont... $ Religious World 740 User Guide 198 Next Page Read Hear Religion ReligionP717 CJJFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:44/21 JADHEAR WRJTJ HEAR O 5/6 FROM P SMITH OF DERBY "Some writers have suggested that young people should attempt to get on to the committees of their deaf clubs in order to make the club more accessible to youngjt people. "They must bj joking! "In mz experience, existing committee members run their clubs for thjmsjlvjs and refuse to allow others to conj in and change things. "Thus too many deaf clubs concentrate on bingo, whist drives etc, of no interest whatever to younger people." %,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Next Page Read Hear Religion ReligionP717 CJEFAX 717 Sun 3 Mar 20:37/27 READHEAR WRJTJ HEAR O 6/6 FROM P SMITH OF DERBY "Anothjt problem is that many deaf clubs are based in old buildings that are not really suitable for a wider range of activities. "There are exceptions, like the superb Glasgow Deaf Club (despite the rotten beer!) but most clubs I have visited simply do not have the structure to meet young people's wishes. "Besides, young deaf people choosing not to attend deaf clubs are surely also choosing to be more integrated in mainstream society and show society what deaf people are like." Next Page Read Hear Religion Religion